"Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither."

From: [identity profile] kiltedlunatic.livejournal.com


And those that forget that should be shot so the rest of us can get on with running the country.

From: [identity profile] feonixrift.livejournal.com


And it doesn't take them long to achieve having neither, right beside everyone they drag down with them.

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...by which time the trains run on time, everyone has a job, and oh yes, there's like six million people missing and presumed dead.

From: [identity profile] digitalsidhe.livejournal.com


A couple of quick notes, since i'm in a pedantic mood tonight:
  1. Mussolini did not make the trains run on time. He so totally did not. No way, nuh-uh.
  2. The Holocaust claimed roughly 11 million people. Dude, that's, like, totally more than just 6 million, and a serious bummer.
If I must be a pedant, perhaps I can at least mitigate its effects by using slang reminiscent of a teenager.

From: [identity profile] count-01.livejournal.com


I wasn't there, and I've only met one or two people who survived the Holocaust, but a lot of people they knew got killed. I'm gonna say somewhere between a million and six billion is "a lot."

Also, the trains didn't really run on time in Germany either, but they did in all the official papers, which is all that matters anyway. And not everyone had a job, but those that didn't mostly were in the Party so it didn't matter, since they were writers or editors for the official papers.

Ol' Joe Stalin totally had it right: he who controls the past controls the future. Which is Russian for "I print the papers, so nobody will know whether it was six million or a hundred gazillion jillion."

From: [identity profile] digitalsidhe.livejournal.com


The original quote is "Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety", and it's generally attributed to Benjamin Franklin. However, according to the linked WikiQuote page, Franklin denied that he authored the phrase, and would take credit only for publishing it.

Regardless of who first said it or how, I heartily agree with the sentiment.

From: [identity profile] fogwolf.livejournal.com

A poor decision


It seems to me that it is a poor decision to sacrifice the rights that make us free in an attempt to keep others from taking those rights from us.

Our principles, our ideals, as written in the Bill of Rights, and the Declaration of Independence are worth fighting for, worth dying for, and should be the last thing that we would consider abandoning, if we believe what we profess to believe. Every time we turn our back on our neighbor's rights we regret it.

When we were attacked we fought back. I have no problem with that. Fighting back was the right thing to do.

What chilled me though was reading things like the suspending of Habeas Corpus, or at least the severe restrictions that we put on it. When we did that we sacrificed the very thing that we were fighting to preserve, people's rights, the ideas that make us free.

I would like us to restate to the world what we believe human rights to be, and thenchange our fighting methods to reflect those rights, those beliefs.

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